{"id":7301,"date":"2017-02-16T11:50:53","date_gmt":"2017-02-16T10:50:53","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/responsable-academia.org\/action\/validite-des-diplomes\/communaute-et-faux-diplomes\/"},"modified":"2017-07-11T19:57:38","modified_gmt":"2017-07-11T18:57:38","slug":"forums-and-fake-degrees","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/irafpa.org\/en\/methods\/mediation\/forums-and-fake-degrees\/","title":{"rendered":"Forums and fake degrees"},"content":{"rendered":"

[vc_row padding_top=”25″ padding_bottom=”25″][vc_column][vc_column_text]Published 1\/10\/2015<\/p>\n

The excerpts below are taken from French-language discussion forums.\u00a0 These types of discussion are very common. Here we have chosen 3 online groups with very different interests: health, education and video games.[\/vc_column_text][vc_column_text]<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n
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Read on a health forum<\/h3>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

\u2022 Mina 2000:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“Hello,<\/em>
\nI copied a friend\u2019s diploma and changed his name to mine. The copy looks good and I would like to use it on my CV.
\nDo companies check diplomas? (It\u2019s a government diploma) and what are the risks if they catch me?
\nI think they generally just ask for a copy (in that case, my forgery won\u2019t be noticed). Will they be able to check the diplomas in that case?
\nThank you for your answers!”\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Soleil 2003:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“With that nice little spleling mistake in your post, I hope you didn\u2019t try to fake a baccalaureate or a teaching degree…<\/em>
\n\":D\"\u00a0\":D\"\u00a0\":D\"<\/p>\n

\u2022 Mina 2000:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“You know, to each her own, and I didn\u2019t force you to reply to my message!\u00a0It\u2019s terrible to have such a mentality!
\nI asked my question to open-minded people who could provide me the answers I was expecting!<\/em>“<\/em><\/p>\n

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\u2022 Cosmos:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“You\u2019re trying to make us laugh, I hope? In any case, it worked! You come here and pose a question, someone answers you and you ask us not to answer… The intensive care forum isn\u2019t open but you\u2019re not in the right place anyway. \":D\"\u00a0Lastly, I\u2019ll point out that even for vocational training certificate, you need to master French and spelling, and a word to the wise, it takes work to become a good fraud \";)\"“<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Mina 2000:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“Oh! How I pity you! You\u2019re unhappy people and you take it out on the first person who comes by?
\nI will tell you again that my question was meant for intelligent and open-minded people, I wanted to get different viewpoints on what I thought and not to be judged by pathetic people like you! Nothing to do with looking for people going in the same direction as me or having to justify myself because I made spelling mistakes!\u00a0Good luck and go visit a psychiatrist! That\u2019ll do you good!!!\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Lilie 76:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

“I\u2019m going to tell you what I think of what you\u2019re doing… you\u2019re probably not running any risks and that\u2019s a real shame!!
\nThere are people who work hard to earn their degrees and you make a collage with a photocopier???? It\u2019s incredibly unfair to the \u201creal\u201d bearers of that degree!!!!
\nIll-gotten gains seldom prosper… even if an employer hires you because they think you have that degree, they\u2019ll see from your incompetence that you don\u2019t… good luck getting out of that situation and finding a job after that.”<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Imagination:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

“Why this animosity! You\u2019re really the ones lacking in intelligence! You\u2019re mean, you\u2019re not trying to engage her in a discussion to explain to her that she\u2019s making a big mistake by making a fake. you may have degrees and so that gives you the right in your eyes to judge and thereby condemn! the fact that you have degrees has not unfortunately brought you intelligence of the soul! Pathetic bunch of elitists”
\n<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Mina 2000:<\/strong>
\n<\/em><\/div>\n

“Thank you very much for your response!
\nI find that there a lot of biases here about my having made this diploma, but believe me I am not proud of it! It\u2019s not my fault that I haven\u2019t had the chance to continue my education like the majority of the people who are judging me without knowing my story!
\nThank you anyway for your responses<\/em><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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Read on an educational forum<\/h3>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n

\u2022 Nico_n:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“Hello<\/em><\/p>\n

Is there a program from making diplomas?
\nI looked on Google and didn\u2019t find anything.
\nThanks”\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Sh4rk:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“<\/em><\/p>\n

Gimp, photoshop, paint.net, word, publisher\u2026\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

Then you have to use your creativity to get what you want.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

There are no doubt programs that do it for you but the end product is often mediocre”<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Nico_n:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“And otherwise you don\u2019t know of a program that does that where you just have to put what you want and then print?”<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Cartouche:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“Scan a real one and then modify it however you want, I made a horse riding certification like that, it takes 30 seconds at most \u00a0\":)\"<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Champion 13:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“but where do you find a real diploma to scan???<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Jiyong:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

“at school”<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Oli:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

“School\u2019s actually good for something?!\u00a0\":p\"<\/em><\/p>\n

But thanks to the Internet, this has become obsolete:
\nhttp:\/\/images.google.fr\/images?q=Diplo […] 1&sa=N&tab=wi<\/a>“<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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Read on a video game forum<\/h3>\n

\u2022 John_stewart:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

” I just made myself a fake master\u2019s degree in welfare law (even though I\u2019m doing my bachelor\u2019s in law) and I signed up at the temp agency. They asked for my master\u2019s, so I gave them the degree. They took it and I\u2019m waiting for a job.<\/em><\/p>\n

Except that I\u2019m wondering if they\u2019ll check that the degree is real? What are the risks if they catch me? It\u2019s a little late to be asking, but anyway -”\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Kazel:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“call them back and tell them: I do apologize, but I\u2019ve given you a fake degree <\/em>\":hap:\"<\/p>\n

\u2022 John_stewart:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

“But if I call them it\u2019s done for as well. But if I don\u2019t say anything and it goes over \u00a0\":bave:\"\u00a0. I\u2019ll be getting jobs that pay!\u00a0\u00a0\":bave:\"”\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 born-2-lose:\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

“lol you really think that with a master\u2019s in welfare law you have more of a chance of getting work? Temp work is mainly little shit jobs like maintenance so with or without a degree it doesn\u2019t change anything.<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 Gruz187:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“You\u2019re doing a bachelor\u2019s in law, but you can\u2019t write without making mistakes??\u00a0\u00a0\":ouch2:\"\u00a0 \":ouch:\"\u00a0 \":rire:\"\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 keichi 49 :\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

“Oh ok a \u2018fake\u2019\u00a0\u00a0\":noel:\" By the way yes they check then you\u2019re in deep shit”<\/em><\/p>\n

\u2022 John_stewart:\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/p>\n

“how do you know they check? it\u2019s \u2018no fake.\u2019 I actually failed out of the bachelor\u2019s in law, so I\u2019m looking for work, and it ain\u2019t easy. So that\u2019s why I made myself a degree\u00a0<\/em>\":hum:\"\u00a0”<\/p>\n

\u2022 Torquemada:<\/strong><\/div>\n
\n

“If they ask for the degree it\u2019s to check, otherwise they just look at it and ask you for a photocopy.\u00a0It\u2019s not for nothing that a lot of people buy their degrees (which are real) rather than making a fake one… Legally you\u2019re engaged in forgery and use of forged documents you should know what that means<\/em>.<\/em>“<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

\u2022 pseudark:<\/strong>
\n<\/em><\/div>\n

“Am I the only one who thinks that the poster is serious loser?\u00a0\u00a0\":doute:\"<\/em><\/p>\n

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\u2022 CFETOULAUD:<\/strong><\/p>\n

“I\u2019m convinced that employers don\u2019t check whether degrees are genuine. <\/em><\/p>\n

To check whether a degree is genuine, you have to contact the ministry that granted the degree, there\u2019s a whole administrative process, it\u2019s super long… No employer is going to take the bloody time to do that…\u00a0\u00a0\":(\"<\/em><\/p>\n

Try it with a degree you have, you\u2019ll see…<\/em>
\nI did that when I lost my baccalaur\u00e9at, I had to call the school board who asked me to do all sorts of stupid administrative things, it took so much time to get my diploma back… \u00a0\":fou:\"<\/em><\/p>\n

But if you don\u2019t have the skills you\u2019re supposed to have, they\u2019ll see that right away \u00a0\":hap:\"“<\/em><\/p>\n

Etc.<\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

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